NOT REAL ART celebrates and covers creative culture, the rise of the creative class and the artists who drive it.


  • The Explorers Clubs Lacey Flint is Rethinking Museums

    The Explorers Club's Lacey Flint is Rethinking Museums

    12/05/2020 Duração: 01h03min

    Museums are a fundamental part of the creative landscape and society as a whole. Not only do they display great examples of creativity, but they also act as portals for us to enter worlds we may never see otherwise. Our guest today, Lacey Flint, is the archivist and curator of research collections at The Explorers Club, and she is passionate about making the artifacts at the space as accessible as possible. In this episode, we learn about the interesting path Lacey took to work in curation. Being naturally drawn to history and education, she worked as a teacher. Through that, she realized that it was important to make history more tangible for it to be a meaningful learning experience. She threw herself into the deep end and pursued a Masters degree in England and worked in various roles before the Explorers Club. We also learn more about the fascinating history of the club and the mission it was founded on. It is easy to think that with technology now, we have seen all there is to see. This could not be furt

  • Dan Ubick Talks Music Production, Hip Hop + Positivity

    Dan Ubick Talks Music Production, Hip Hop + Positivity

    05/05/2020 Duração: 01h25min

    With the world in its current state, it’s hard to remain positive. But to survive, we have to continue to find the beauty however we can and be inspired by the good. Our guest today, Dan Ubick, is not only an extraordinarily talented musician, but he is also a shining light in these dark times. As a producer, composer, and multi-instrumentalist, Dan grew up with music. His father was a jazz bassist, and his mom listened to the Beatles and classical music while designing jewelry. Dan’s sister introduced him to hip hop, and the rest is history. With an impressive discography, Dan has worked with everyone from De La Soul to Big Daddy Kane to Method Man. In this episode, we talk about Dan’s incredible musical journey. As someone who values friendships and connections, they have always opened up great opportunities for him. We also do a deep dive into the world of hip hop, and Dan and host Sourdough share their experiences of discovering the genre and the impact that it had on them. Listening to hip hop was a form

  • How To Manage Stress with Therapist Bret Hofstein

    How To Manage Stress with Therapist Bret Hofstein

    28/04/2020 Duração: 01h36min

    Are you living your best quarantine life, learning new skills, reading books, and binge-watching Netflix? If like Sourdough you are a parent of young kids, you know this is not happening, particularly if you are making any effort to home school them. Regardless of your circumstances, these times are stressful for everybody, and that’s why getting licensed psychotherapist Bret Hofstein on the podcast couldn’t have come at a better time. In this episode, he talks to the Hollywood art community in particular—actors, writers, directors, painters—about managing the common problems that this population comes up against, the most prominent of which the frustration of having to play the game. Idealistic as they are, most have a hard time dealing with the tough competition out there, often finding it difficult to do what needs to be done to give themselves the best shot while also nursing unrealistic expectations about their abilities and their work. Add to that a host of uncontrollable factors such as the idiosyncrat

  • Linc Thelen Shares His Artistic Journey

    Linc Thelen Shares His Artistic Journey

    21/04/2020 Duração: 57min

    Today we’re joined by a multitalented artist, Linc Thelen, who not only paints beautiful works of art but also designs and builds contemporary high-end homes for which he has been critically acclaimed. Sourdough caught up with Linc at the 2019 Art Basel to talk about his impression of the show, exhibiting his work, and the art that has captured his attention. Having a formal education in both art and architecture, Linc is in a unique position to bring his clients something from both worlds, an aspect that has gained him a large public following. He shares how his journey as an artist has taught him to see differently, how he was unexpectedly influenced by minimalism and his hope of creating art that brings positive energy to people’s homes. When you look at his paintings and house designs, there is a recognizable narrative running through all of them, and this he ascribes to being intentional and consistent in the atmosphere he wants his work to exude. Despite these noticeable traits, he does believe in exper

  • The One Where Burt Reynolds Hires A Graffiti Artist

    The One Where Burt Reynolds Hires A Graffiti Artist

    14/04/2020 Duração: 46min

    Today’s episode is the audio of a video shoot that Sourdough and Man One recently did at Art Share L.A. Despite knowing each other for 17 years, there are still new stories that come out every time the pair sit down to talk. Man One shares more about his Hollywood encounters, from being cast in stereotypical graffiti artist roles to having his work featured in some major motion pictures, he’s been through it all. He also discusses how rife artist exploitation is and both he and Sourdough share their stories of how people have tried to undercut them throughout the years. It can be so easy when you’re starting out to want to do work for free, but artists should stand their ground both for themselves and for the artistic community at large. By giving your time and work away for free, you devalue yourself and other artists by extension. Stand up for yourself, be firm, and trust in your work. As artists who have seen it all, Man One and Sourdough’s advice is certainly worth tuning in for. Join us today! For more i

  • NOT REAL ART Talks to Artists Marguerite Kalhor, Monica Leal Cueva, Juliana Bustillo and Jessie Noguchi: 2019 Grant Winners

    NOT REAL ART Talks to Artists Marguerite Kalhor, Monica Leal Cueva, Juliana Bustillo and Jessie Noguchi: 2019 Grant Winners

    07/04/2020 Duração: 55min

    In this episode, Sourdough and Cheyenne Sauter, Executive Director of Art Share L.A, talk to 2019 art grant winners Marguerite Kalhor, Monica Leal Cueva, Juliana Bustillo, and Jessie Noguchi.   These amazing young artists discuss how winning the NOT REAL ART Grant differs from many others in that it demands nothing back but rather frees them to spend the money on whatever they need. Unfortunately, many grants come with strings attached and organizations are determined to get a return on their investment, which is often counterproductive from the artist’s perspective. They talk about finding your voice as an artist, dealing with the business side of the work, and the importance of figuring out what you expect your art to do for you. Some do it for pleasure, some for their own sanity, and yet others want to make a living from their art – it’s all about being clear about what this looks like for you. With the 2019 Not Real Art Exhibition in view, our guests discuss their process of choosing which pieces to sho

  • NOT REAL ART Celebrates Its 2019 Artist Grant Recipient: Eben Eldridge

    NOT REAL ART Celebrates Its 2019 Artist Grant Recipient: Eben Eldridge

    31/03/2020 Duração: 50min

    We’re grateful to welcome Eben Elridge onto the show today. Not only is he a talented guy with a great heart, but he is also a recipient of last year’s Not Real Art grant, where we gave $1,000 to 12 artists. In our fascinating chat, which is the audio version of a video we recently recorded, Eben shares some of his incredible journey with us. We talk about how receiving the grant has impacted him and why he has chosen to put himself first. Eben does not believe in being a starving artist. Rather, he feels that artists should take care of themselves first to be in the best health possible. We also learn more about muses and the different relationships you can have with them. For some people, the connection can be so intense that it takes them a while to recalibrate, while for others, readjusting is easier. Eben talks about why he thinks so many people are afraid to create, the importance of belonging to different communities, and why the creative journey rather than the product is the gift. We could not be pro

  • NOT REAL ART Celebrates 2019 Artist Grant Winners: Rachel O’Donnell, Beth Abaravich, Edmund Arevalo, + Thony Loui

    NOT REAL ART Celebrates 2019 Artist Grant Winners: Rachel O’Donnell, Beth Abaravich, Edmund Arevalo, + Thony Loui

    24/03/2020 Duração: 41min

    In this episode, we celebrate the culture of creativity by bringing something new to the show. A couple of months ago, we did a video production project at Art Share L.A. in which we interviewed our grant winners in talk-show format. Today, in this podcast, we’re releasing the audio of the first production shoot which included Cheyenne Sauter, the executive director of Art Share L.A., who joined Sourdough in conversation with four of our twelve grant winners. Tuning in to this episode, you will hear from artists Rachel O’Donnell, Beth Abaravich, Edmund Arevalo, and Thony Loui who discuss their experience of applying for and winning the grant, where they go to learn about available grants, and fighting the paralyzing fear that often prevents artists from putting themselves out there. They also talk about the challenges they face as full-time small business owners, dealing with the financial and administrative tasks, connecting with the art community, and making time to be inspired by the work of others. Each o

  • NOT REAL ART Fights Morbid Obesity + More Good News!

    NOT REAL ART Fights Morbid Obesity + More Good News!

    17/03/2020 Duração: 01h29s

    We are elated by the number of five-star reviews we’ve been getting on iTunes – all we needed to get us psyched up for the new year and ready to bring you some more awesome content. We’ve got an episode full of banter, which includes Sourdough and Man One sharing their expectations and goals for the year. They’re looking forward to the annual Not Real Art conference, traveling, and the kinds of chaos the new year will bring. But they advise listeners to assume a position of cautious optimism rather than buying into the blind optimism we often see from the talking heads on TV, and they share how gaining a bird’s eye view on situations helps to mitigate anxiety. The two play a game where Sourdough has to guess what piece of fitness equipment Man One bought for the studio, and after a few incorrect guesses, Sourdough finally gets it. This is, they believe, the first step to getting back into shape, or at least to get Man One down from morbidly obese to obese. These are some of our 2020 goals – tune in to hear mo

  • DesignerCon 2019 with Mark Brickey from Adventures in Design

    DesignerCon 2019 with Mark Brickey from Adventures in Design

    10/03/2020 Duração: 01h05min

    DesignerCon is one of the undisputed highlights of the art calendar, and the event is growing from strength to strength. Not Real Art Gallery and Man One were both repping in booths at the trade show. Mark Brickey, a dear friend of ours and host of Adventures in Design Podcast, was there on our behalf to interview some of the biggest and brightest stars of the art world. He interviews our very own Man One, who, as we know is one of the realest OGs out there. He has been making art for more than 20 years, and his commitment to the craft has not waned in the slightest. He shares what has given him the motivation and why he loves DCon so much. Mark also talks with other artists including Never Made, who shares some of his personal story, Dan Janssen, who talks about the industry shift from anonymous designers to being design-famous, and Aaron Draplin, who spits the truth as usual. For so many artists, when they started out, a platform like DCon didn’t even exist. Now it’s here, giving a voice to so many, and we

  • E78: 2019: Looking Backwards and Forwards

    E78: 2019: Looking Backwards and Forwards

    03/03/2020 Duração: 54min

    2019: Looking Backwards and Forwards. Welcome back to your favorite art podcast! It's a new year and we are taking this opportunity to look back on what a great year 2019 was and look to the future of Not Real Art and the creative community. Man One remembers some of his inspiring trips from last year and just how amazing Tokyo and Hong Kong were before we get deep on Art Basel and its highs and lows. From the unbelievable opening of the Museum of Graffiti to bananas taped to walls, we cover it all and there are no real surprises as to what we liked and did not. 2019 was a year of great progress for the Not Real Art brand and our associates and events and we are so grateful for the opportunity to continue this in 2020! We finish off the episode meditating on the importance of family and health, things we can all do well to remember. For this and more, stay tuned. Key Points From This Episode: Looking back on 2019, awards, travel and the achievements for Not Real Art! Man One's best trips of last year and the

  • E77: Kevin Zinger: Make The Wave You Ride

    E77: Kevin Zinger: Make The Wave You Ride

    10/12/2019 Duração: 01h08min

    It's an honor to have the one and only Kevin Zinger on the show today! Kevin is an entrepreneur who has been driving the skate, surf, and punk rock cultures in San Diego for years. He manufactures clothing, manages bands, produces films, curates art exhibitions, and even has a syndicated radio show! Kevin grew up in Southern California dreaming to be a pro surfer, and while he made cash from his sponsorships each month he was smart enough to realize early on that it wasn't going to be viable as a career choice. His surfing did introduce him to bands like The Offspring, Pennywise, and Sublime, in their fledgling phases though. He began to bring bands like these to his hometown to play at packed venues he was too young to get into for 5 dollars a ticket! Keven shares how this early love for organizing gigs became the center of multiple passion projects that linked art, music, and fashion — while earning him a living too! He has some great stuff to share with us today about how doing what you love may not always

  • Special Report: Adobe Max 2019

    Special Report: Adobe Max 2019

    04/12/2019 Duração: 22min

    We asked art journalist Mark Brickey, host of Adventures in Design podcast, to tell us what he thought about Adobe Max 2019. 

  • E76: Karen Fiorito, Contemporary Visual Artist

    E76: Karen Fiorito, Contemporary Visual Artist

    03/12/2019 Duração: 01h03min

    In this episode of Not Real Art, we welcome Karen Fiorito! Karen is a political artist and activist, focussing on issues around the environment, animal welfare and the government. We are so excited to share this conversation, as Karen unpacks a lot of inspiring and useful information around her activism and artistic practice and how the two are so closely linked. She was a recent recipient of the Not Real Art grant and she talks about her reflections on this as well as her tips for applying for grants more broadly. We discuss some of her history, spending time in LA and now living in San Diego, away from the big city. This geographic change has had a big impact on Karen's work and she shares exactly how it has brought her activism into more stark contrast! We also talk about her highly viral and controversial billboard depicting Trump and the apocalypse and how she has experienced her fair share disappointments and setbacks, being called 'not a real artist'. This is why Karen is such a favorite around here, s

  • E75: Interior Designer Nina Hiken

    E75: Interior Designer Nina Hiken

    26/11/2019 Duração: 01h17min

    Welcome back to the show creators and creatives! Today our guest is interior designer, Nina Hiken of Nina Hiken Designs! Nina has a passion for bringing beauty into spaces through the use of color and texture and we chat about client relationships, current projects and the previous career Nina had in education. For Nina, every job is an opportunity to solve problems and unify themes for a client and she is fully focussed on bringing their dreams and personality alive through interior design. We discuss this approach in contrast to signature design styles and why she feels that, for now, she is very happy to work in strict adherence to client needs. She also believes that matching well with clients is imperative to good results, something she has grown to sense early on. Nina unpacks her adoration of color and the tactile, sensory feel of different materials, she also opens up about some of her dream projects for the future! We discuss Feng Shui, societal norms around cleaning up and the effect that our enviro

  • E74: Anne Martin of Sugar Press Art

    E74: Anne Martin of Sugar Press Art

    19/11/2019 Duração: 01h01min

    Welcome back to the Not Real Art Podcast! Today we have a great friend, creative powerhouse and generally lovely citizen of the world on the show, none other than Anne Martin of Sugar Press Art! Anne is here to share her own creative journey, how she found her niche helping other artists get their work out there and why she is living the dream, doing exactly what she should be doing! Since art school, when she started realizing that she was always highly involved in her friends' and peers' artworks, Anne was destined to find her place in the publishing world, championing the work she loved and believed in. In our conversation, we talk about Sugar Press, how the agency started and its founding principles, before Anne breaks down some of her concerns for emerging artists, exposure deals and some tips for copyrighting and cataloging one's work. She shares about some of the artists she is excited to be working with at Sugar Press and the recent KAABOO event they hosted! For this and a whole lot more, join us for

  • E73: Milton Esterow: A Life Dedicated to ARTNews

    E73: Milton Esterow: A Life Dedicated to ARTNews

    12/11/2019 Duração: 01h37min

    Today we have a very special episode in store! We are so lucky to welcome the one and only Milton Esterow to the show, for his first podcast appearance ever! His work at ARTnews set the standard of investigative journalism in the art world, being one of the foremost writers and critics in his field. Growing up in Brooklyn and starting out in 1945 at the New York Times, Milton has seen more than most and his perspective on art and creativity is invaluable to a younger generation. Having found his niche in cultural news, Milton bought ARTNews in 1972 and ran it as publisher and editor-in-chief for 42 years, building it into the world’s largest circulated arts magazine. Milton has won numerous awards and accolades, is a prolific author and renowned voice in the art world. In our conversation, we cover a huge amount of knowledge, with Milton sprouting multitudes of anecdotes and stories from his amazing career. For this great chat with a beautiful human being, be sure to listen in today! Key Points From This Epis

  • E72: All About DesignerCon 2019 with Ben Goretsky

    E72: All About DesignerCon 2019 with Ben Goretsky

    05/11/2019 Duração: 01h22min

    Our guest today for the show is the one and only Ben Goretsky! Ben is the brains behind 3D Retro and DesignerCon, and today we will talking all about DesignerCon 2019! Ben gives us some insight into just how sleep-deprived and excited he is and we talk about the somewhat controversial but ultimately wonderful move to Anaheim from Pasadena. We talk about what's new, VIP tickets and why this year's event is going to be an all-round kick-ass time! Ben explains some of the great initiatives that are coming to light in 2019 and bringing back some galleries and exhibitions from exile and near-death! He offers some great advice to new vendors and hopefuls for next year, pretty much oozing excitement around the amount of good stuff that is going to be on show very soon. Warning! Listening to this episode will result in you definitely wanting to attend! Listen in to hear all this and more! Key Points From This Episode: The history behind the Sourdough alias! Work in the trenches of preparing for the upcoming Designer

  • E71: Advocating for the Religion of Love with Karen Frost

    E71: Advocating for the Religion of Love with Karen Frost

    29/10/2019 Duração: 01h22min

    Today on the show we’re joined by the highly talented Karen Frost who is a television producer, fellow podcaster and spiritual advisor. Karen is a creative executive at JuVee Productions, Viola Davis and Julius Tennon’s production company that is focused on developing the content of marginalized and emerging writers. In this episode, you will hear all about the podcast Drunken Church Ladies, which she co-hosts with her wife and her personal struggles with breaking out of religious traditions to find her own spiritual path. Karen is passionate about redefining God and what it means to be spiritual, fully committed to creating a society that is wholly inclusive and one that can reconstruct ancient ways that no longer serve the greater good of all. She shares about the obstacles she has had to overcome as a queer person of color, the mental shift she had to make to finally get into the entertainment industry and what the spiritual center, Bodhi, meant to her in the process. Some of the other topics we cover incl



    22/10/2019 Duração: 01h04min

    Welcome back to the show everybody, today is an extra special episode as we take this chance to talk about the upcoming Sneakertopia event! Man One is taking part in the exhibition and he explains his involvement and what he knows about what will be happening. The pop-up sneaker museum will be celebrating everything related to the culture, its history and the current landscape of the art form. This leads into a conversation in which we talk about our own experiences of sneaker culture and collecting, the industry at large, the intersection of music, design and sport and some cultural landmarks to do with sneakers! We talk RUN DMC, documentaries, famous collections, and sneaker hoarding. For all this and more, join us today for this great episode! Key Points From This Episode: Pop-up museums and the exciting prospect of the new Sneakertopia initiative. Man One's work for the event and what he will be taking part in. The brief that they gave Man One and the new territory he will be covering. The size of the sn

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